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« on: November 17, 2009, 09:31:37 PM »

I placed a link to a video interview with Patrick Geryl on another thread the other day and YC asked for a recap 'cause he is a busy man and cant waste an hour and thirty minutes.

So Here are some ramblings about my thoughs on the matter.  Be advised this is so far out there I have bounced all over the place on the issue so it is likely most need not even take the time to read this, but I did it for my busy buddy YC.

One of the luxuries of being retired is that, I can take the time to look into things that interest me.  For too many years as an Airline pilot, I was gone about half the time and a great portion of my down time was spent in the study of my active profession. (although my wife says that was golf)  Being subjected to semi-annual proficiency test and physicals dictated that I kept abreast with the latest information in many subjects concerning aviation, navigation and physical sciences.    The fact that I spent the bulk of my time traversing the majority of the planet provided me a unique perspective of the natural world in which we live.  Additionally I took great interest in the different cultures to which I was exposed and learned a great deal about life from those navigators who came before me. 

Some years ago we started flying polar routes coming within just a few miles of the North Pole.  Part of that deal was you had to be “Polar Route Qualified” in addition to normal international operations. Reason being navigational equipment sometimes acted differently in the Polar regions due to magnetic disturbances, especially during periods of solar flare activity.  Additionally, long range crews, flying long periods at high altitude had additional radiation exposure and some would wear little radiation badges to collect data which was read every so often to determine the amount of exposure in a given period. I remember during the active solar periods how the aurora borealis would get very intense.   Flying from the west coast to London one night what I witnessed was simply amazing.  We actually seemed to be inside the aurora and it was like daylight in the cockpit. 

Why am I going into all this?  Well I want to establish the fact I have witnessed first-hand what solar flares have the capability to do instruments and other navigational equipment including GPS during periods of hyper-activity.  That, they can and do wreak havoc with anything working on magnetic principles is well documented.  This is about magnetic forces and their potential effect on us all.

NASA, (I think NASA but could be NOAA)numbers these solar cycles and in January 2008 we began what is known as Solar Cycle 24.  These cycles run about 11 years in duration and have been studied quite a bit for their effect on many things, including magnetic deviations, EMF interference and the possibility that one of these may have the potential to reverse the earth’s magnetic poles. This potential for polar reversal is what I have been looking at for some time now.

 Events of this nature have a tendency to bring out ALL of the weirdo and kooks and the late night radio talk shows have them waiting in line.  And this event is no different given the fact the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 and the peak effect for the solar cycle 24 is estimated to occur about that time frame.  Many of these guests have PHD after their names and other have cosmic names.  Including, and not restricted to the usual sprinkle of folks claiming to have worked alongside Aliens at area 51.
 
All these folks are promoting their views and beliefs and many have web sites that need money to continue the research or sell some book or report.  Some of them are ….. well…. Just crazy as hell.  I don’t normally listen to any of it but my research on this topic and the fact this new movie 2012 is out has given me no other choice but try to ferret through all the BS out there in search of some real science. 

One of the folks I came across was a fellow by the name of Patrick Geryl, a Belgium man who has studied this subject for some time.  I find him quite interesting and regretfully somewhat convincing.  Not so much because of his conviction but the justification for his arguments started to make sense to me.  That alone can be scary  LOL. He has no PHD at the end of his name and that can be a plus in my view as organized education like organized religion can sometimes be an impediment to grasping the truth in science and discovery.

Short story is; that it is believed by science that the earth’s poles can be reversed by magnetic activity originating from the sun and in fact, on the grand scheme, it happens regularly.  About every 11,500 years is one estimate others say 500,000 years.   Nonetheless, most agree it occurs.  This is believed to account for ice ages and continental shifts.  An event of this size can be expected to wipe out almost everything on the planet.  The fact that the Mayan’s and ancient Egyptians seem to have unexplainable knowledge in astrological observations, highly developed methods for keeping time and calendars with the same degree of accuracy which we have today indicates that there is something to this argument AND points to the possibility of the existence of civilizations prior to those of which we are currently aware. 

The Greek historian Herodotus wrote of visiting ancient Egypt and viewing the Labyrinth which is said  to have been discovered as early as 1843.  However, since that time I understand  little was done to uncover this labyrinth as it was believed to have been destroyed and possibly hauled off.  Until recently a very small part of the complex has been uncovered.  Previous exploration simply did not discover the huge underground structure and only recently have teams done a proper surface scan which has revealed a much more massive structure under the surface than was believed to exist.  A great portion of the labyrinth is under water and currently it is being pumped and diverted to allow access.  Patrick Geryl for one believes the labyrinth may hold the key to the entire ancient Egyptian history of mankind.   This needs to be examined for the information reported to be contained there.  This labyrinth is suppose to contain over 3,000 rooms and they are believed to be a store of all the knowledge and information the Egyptians had about our planet and its history.  Hope it describes how they built the pyramids so we can put that question mark to rest.  Though I have never visited the sites I have flown over them several times and it is quite a sight to behold. 

Back to the polar switch;  IF such a thing were to occur, as Geryl suggests we should have ample warning from unusual activity and occurrences perhaps 6 months in advance.  However, the polar switch itself would be sudden and could happen in a matter of minutes.
 
Disruptions on the planet would mark the beginning of the end.  EMF levels would first start shutting down things like the internet, computers and this disruption alone would destroy financial systems and cause economic chaos.  Sunspots and solar flares would be the ONLY topic at the water cooler if you were foolish enough to still be going to work.  By the time these things got under way people would be beginning to realize something was not right and clamor to their governments for answers and guess what …. They don’t have any plans to save you and it would be a fool’s errand for them to attempt it.  At some point the EMF levels would approach that of nuclear bombs and render most all machinery inoperative.  Now, bear in mind , this likely would occur in phases.  That is, things may work for a while and then they don’t; Until all are rendered useless.  In fact, my guess that even those devises you may have shielded would likely be rendered inop as the levels increase.  We all may notice or fall victim to balance issues and find it difficult to walk along with mental disturbances due to all this.  I know this does not sound pretty but it is what it is as far as an assessment as to likely conditions.
 
With all this going on, obviously the social structure will deteriorate and finally become unraveled.  Government services and things of utility are just a thing of the past.  This could very well take 4-6 months in duration to occur prior to the shift.
 
When a polar shift occurs the earth’s core will rotate on its axis 180 degrees.  North will become South and South will become North.  The earth’s crust will only rotate about 30 degrees and will be like the surface of an orange being suddenly stopped in rotation.  All wrinkled up.  This is how scientist believe the huge continental shifts of the past have occurred.  I’m sure we have all seen the diagrams that show how North and South America both line up with Africa and Europe like a jig saw puzzle detached.
 
 Just like flipping the directional switch on a ceiling fan, the Earth, rotating some 1,000 miles per hour at the equator will come to a halt directionally and start to spin in the opposite direction further causing sloshing of oceans and piling and shifting of continents.  The resulting tidal waves will cover most of the surface except the highest points before receding into the new lower levels.  But not before destroying everything in its path.  The sun will rise in the west and set in the east.  This all will occur in an hour or two from the time the core does its polar shift.  Very few living things will have survived.  The good news is some will.  I have heard estimates the as many a 1 million humans may survive the initial shift.  So now what?

Almost all volcanoes will erupt, nuclear power plants that were hot and in operation will melt down and lots of dead things floating around or stuck in trees.  There are no hospitals, there are no facilities of any sort and the dust cloud will last 40-50 years.  The survival game begins in earnest.

The EMF waves will have completely destroyed any digital information.  There will be no records of this civilization other than written documents that may have accompanied a survivor and a few stone or steel artifacts not destroyed.  It will be incumbent upon man to re-establish his position at the top of the food chain because some animals are sure to survive and they will get hungry.  The average citizen of the planet is quite frail and most are from urban settings with few survival skills. I suggest that should an event such as this occur and should one survive the initial cataclysm many would die during the transition to primitive conditions.
 
Considering all the above thoughts, if true, I can see how entire civilizations have been wiped out on our planet in the past.  I can also understand why some advanced civilization would want to leave some record telling the how and whys of the cataclysmic event.    I also can see how language and traditions such as religion may have been bifurcated to protect us from ourselves.  11-12,000 years is a long time.  Lots can happen and lots can be lost forever. 

If, in fact, my predecessors survived such an event and understood the cycles that produce such events, It would stand to reason, an advanced civilization would want to pass on information concerning these matters.  IF these revelations were passed on and IF some group of survivors closely held the information from mankind to suit whatever their purpose, I will have a high case of the ass at the perpetrators.   

Here is something else to consider, with our government shrouded in secrecy who’s to say billions of our dollars spent in the space program and the recent “test” impact on the moon was not a dry run to determine the feasibility of parking a select few out of harm’s way in such an event.  I mean if you know such an event is about to take place and the chance of survival is slim to none who would not inconvenience themselves for a year or two until the smoke clears so to speak.  Has this type of thing happened before?  It could give some continuity to the stories and myths of people ascending and descending from the heavens as depicted in the artifacts of some ancient sites.

Why would the church drag Galileo before an inquisition while claiming now that, through the Middle Ages and into the Renaissance, the Church pressed for the most precise astronomical observations, to determine the date of Easter.   I understand the Galileo was an egotistical SOB so maybe the Pope just didn’t like him.  Or maybe a non cleric had no business looking at stars. 
This sort of what ifs can go on forever, I was just checking on some things and though I would pass it on for your thoughts. 

I do not at this time promote the idea that the world will come to an end in 2012 just looking into all the noise out there on the subject.
 
These folks that did that interview with Patrick Geryl, “Project Camelot” are into wild ass things like ETs, channeling, Project looking Glass a supposed ability to look into the future, and time travel. 
I have never bought into all this stuff and don’t see any reason to change my views at this point in life.  However, Geryl makes a convincing argument about something I can grasp and makes sense. 
I have no doubt that events will unfold in the manner and as described by Geryl but not so sure I can believe the accuracy of his timeline, which places the date of the Polar shift as 12-21-2012. 

Anyone can check with NASA and see that we are indeed in Polar Cycle 24 and the peak effects are estimated in 2013.  The last solar event of this intensity occurred about 1859 and is documented. During that event there are statements of telegraph offices blowing up and being destroyed by the EMF disturbances.  In 1859 there were not computers and motor driven essentials as we have now.  Nor was there and electric gird as we have now.  I postulate that during the next event we are very likely to see some unbelievable disruptions in the services we take for granted today at the least.


http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/10jan_solarcycle24.htm

This is not like the Y2k deal, which I laughed off and watched come and go without incident.  Y2K was only about computer operating systems and not remotely related to nature.  This will be a natural event SHOULD IT OCCUR WITH ANY INTENSITY.
 
This natural Solar cycle occurs every 11 years, so what makes this one any different?  This is my question but all indications is the cycles themselves cycle and most of the scientific community agrees that this one will be unlike most we have witnessed in intensity.  Does this mean the end of the world?  Maybe, Maybe Not, for sure that’s way out of my pay grade. 
 
Maybe Patrick Geryl’s hypothesis is kept outside of mainstream science because it is in fact wrong.  But if he is correct in his theory and the general populace knew and understood the possibilities would this not lead to panic and disruptions?  Something of this magnitude and effect on people would surely be withheld by any government that knew.
 
The confirmation to Geryl’s theory lies beneath the sand and water in Hawara Eqypt and the Eqyptian Dr. in charge of excavating the Labyrinth site has pretty much cut off information regarding what they know so far.  Besides it will be 2010 before they even get access to the information contained in this massive structure because most of it is under water due to a re-routing of the waters of the Nile some 200 years ago for irrigation purposes.  Make no mistake of it, the discovery of the Labyrinth may likely be the largest and most important archeological discovery in this lifetime.  So I would imagine the information contained there will be closely guarded by these scientists

So, bottom line, a solar event of large proportions is going to occur. It could be mild in its effect on our infrastructure or it could be extremely disruptive.  It could be as Geryl suggests cataclysmic.  We just don’t know.   I do know this;  to maintain order, you nor I will not know until it happens.  The only thing I know is that if it is to get really bad there should be a period of time in which we will get subtle signs of impending disaster.  This period could last from 3-6 months of strange goings on before any Polar switch would happen.
 
I am not about to get into any pissing contest about the foolishness of all this, facts and history is well documented and available to anyone wishing to do their own research.  Comments of course, are welcomed, but don’t go off on me I simply bring this up for any that may not be aware of what all this talk about 2012 is about.  It is all theory sprinkled with a little science and is surely going to stir up the tin foil hat crowd.   

In case you missed the link this is where it may be viewed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd-cCeaKrOA
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2009, 10:34:21 PM »


I think it would be a privilege to witness the end of the world.  Just sayin'.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2009, 10:54:38 PM »

Only not the end but a new beginning.   Lots to ponder eh
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2010, 11:49:07 AM »

I would hope that a new beginning is there to see. Mayan calendar quits repeating. :-)

PS: Greetings. I was introduced to this website by Arsenal Fan last night. I think I will like it here. It's a pleasure meeting you all.
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2010, 02:10:48 PM »

I think you will like the gang on here.  They are extremely knowledgeable about many issues and don't mind sharing stock picks.
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2010, 02:09:15 AM »

I'm glad someone brought up this old topic on 2012.  I remember when SW first posted it but I did not have time to listen to the video because it is quite long.  Well, now I have had the time!

Interesting stuff but I don't think it explains 2012, fully enough.

To know where we are going we have to have an idea of where we are coming from, first.

So, I did a little searching and came up with a video on catastrophic plate tectonics from this past year and maybe there could be some connection to the solar wave thing in here somewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUMQCKgH_6M

Small wonder, since I am a creationist...

Something could very well kick off in 2012 but I think it will be much slower than Geryl thinks.  But Geryl's theory does have a great flood scenario with a wave almost 2 kilometers high.

I'm placing my bets on Noah's account being right...

Surf's up!!!

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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2010, 01:12:32 AM »

Well I watched the presentation by Steve Austin YC and what?  Interesting but not really anything new.  I guess I am confused as to the point.  You are a creationist, fine I respect that Something still caused these plate shifts and I look to science to explain it.  The accounts of the great flood attributed to Noah is but one record of one basic religious belief.  I've no reason to discount Noah or Noah's word but various religions through the years have certainly, lets say, taken literary liberties with the story. 

Tectonic plate shifts would likely create such events over the earth.  I must be honest and say I frankly don't know what to believe but can say I don't subscribe to the creationist version.  I of course followed the links to the nwcreationist  web site and signed the petition because I believe in allowing any research into what really happened and when.  I am only interested in the truth an frankly don't for a second believe anyone truly knows our origin.  I am concerned when any group dictates, tells and uses force of law to promote and enforce their beliefs upon any other person.

Problem is we have all levels of intellect on this planet and many religions use the lack of sophistication of some people to plant false ideas and assumptions.  Then you get this herding and "if you're not fer us you're agin us" mentality which lead to conflict an disruption of peace. 

I originally started this thread to call attention to one man's theory concerning polar shifts and the connection with some historical facts concerning past civilizations.  I do not have a clue if he may be correct, just thought it interesting and something to think about.  We certainly seem to be having more frequent and increasingly severe geological events in this time period with Haiti being the most recent example. 

I have made no attempt to "explain" 2012, and will not attempt to now.  As far as having an idea where we are coming from, I think it is safe to say we don't know and will not know anytime soon. 

It was interesting to watch a knowledgeable man try to correlate a massive geological event with his religious beliefs but I think he falls short because he has attempted to make the time frame "fit" a biblical story. 

If there was an event in the past as Geryl postulates, then there must have been survivors or we would not be here.  So i would have to give some credibility to the great flood story it's just the cause I have a problem with. You know there is no end to this discussion.   Grin   
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2010, 06:11:45 PM »

As the aftershocks were still coming in Haiti, Evangelist Pat Robertson proclaimed that Haiti was "cursed" keeping up tradition he and Jerry Falwell (The purple teletubby is gay) established over the years. 

Of course the ever docile Don Imus said that Robertson should be "put to sleep".  Too funny

http://www.breitbart.tv/imus-pat-robertson-should-be-put-to-sleep/

I don't see a hell of a lot of difference in guys like Robertson and  the blob that was Falwell from the wacky Imams of the middle east. 

Expect more geological events providing fodder for the fools.  Can't wait to see Robertsons explanation when His headquarters in Virginia Beach is under 9 meters of water.  LOL
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2010, 11:43:31 PM »

I had been doing reading related to your previous post and then saw this one so I could not resist doing a little research here either...

LOL, this is not new news, by Robertson, that Haiti is cursed.  People around the world have been saying that for a couple hundred years.

I have read the wiki history of Haiti and then I started reading other sources on their culture and voodoo practives. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou

I am not a watcher of Robertson but his analysis of Haiti, while way too brief a segment to air his opinion, is accurate, at worst. 

Also, Robertson does not link the earthquake to God's judgement or anything like it as many in the media are claiming.  He does not say that the slaves there had no right to revolt.  He merely notes their underlying motivational vehicle or satanic catalyst, if you will.  A nation with 32 coups in it's history, never seeming to get it's act together after 2 centuries, bloody murderous rampages and seething hatred between ethnic groups, and on and on and on...

Those folks down there don't give each other a break (in history so far)!  They have no idea what peace is because of their hatred of each other.

I mean heck fire, the acclaimed dancer Catherine Dunham wrote a book about Haiti and entitled it "Island Possessed".

http://www.amazon.com/Island-Possessed-Katherine-Dunham/dp/0226171132/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263524065&sr=8-1

Yeah, I would say they are cursed.  Cursed may be putting it lightly...

As the aftershocks were still coming in Haiti, Evangelist Pat Robertson proclaimed that Haiti was "cursed"...

Expect more geological events providing fodder for the fools.  Can't wait to see Robertsons explanation when His headquarters in Virginia Beach is under 9 meters of water.  LOL
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2010, 12:23:31 AM »

Well, you and I enjoy these discussions to which there is no end, don't we...  Wink

My point was minor, just that there may be some validity to the correlation of 2012, the solar stuff, and the creationist point of view.  What that validity is, I have no idea, but we will enjoy figuring it out even if we never get there!  I find the time lines very interesting to say the least.

I have been a subscriber to the creationist theory for 34ish years now.  I grew up, as we all did, hearing nothing but evolution teachings, as if the science was all there, done, baked, and served up on a platter to be eaten nutritiously.  It's not, it's not even close.

Then I heard some stuff by Henry Morris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Morris and realized there was a viable alternative to evolution.  I was stunned, to say the least.  So many things in nature that cannot be explained by evolution make logical sense when positioned from a young earth and great flood scenario.

Take petrified trees. for instance.  Many, many have been found exposed in rock layers, that had to have been unearthed by water receding, standing straight up with no roots.  The obvious conclusion was that they had to have been first deposited by something catastrophic that placed all the rock forming ingredients around it in the first place, then along comes a great receding of water that cuts it's way into the rock formation exposing this petrified tree standing straight up with no roots.  The evolutionist has no answer.  The creationists says that when the great flood took place the tree, uprooted by the initial flood, took on salt water that promoted weight and petrification then disappeared under the water into silt, layer upon layer settling around the tree, under hundreds of feet of water (or thousands of feet) creating great pressures to turn the silt deposits into hard rock.

http://creationwiki.org/Petrified_Wood

Until I was inspired, by your posts, to do a little reading, I had no idea until just a few minutes ago that there even existed a http://creationwiki.org/ website.

Some amazing stuff there.  Now I have days and days of reading to do, thanks to you...

Well I watched the presentation by Steve Austin YC and what?  Interesting but not really anything new.  I guess I am confused as to the point.  You are a creationist, fine I respect that Something still caused these plate shifts and I look to science to explain it.  The accounts of the great flood attributed to Noah is but one record of one basic religious belief.  I've no reason to discount Noah or Noah's word but various religions through the years have certainly, lets say, taken literary liberties with the story.    
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2010, 12:34:25 AM »

Ha reading is good for you I do a lot. 

Can't say as I subscribe to Darwin either, its just that I guess I look for a more scientific explanation. All the flood information is well noted and I accept there was a great flood in the past.

Aside from that as you know I worry about food and supplies in the event of some catastrophe which could even include disruption due to solar flares and such.  Check out the video on this link about all the grain that has been leaving port over the last few months.  That will make you think. 
http://standeyo.com/NEWS/10_Food_Water/100112.Mt.grain.html
 
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2010, 01:15:18 AM »

YC I really like the creationwiki place.  Best part of not having a clue is being open to all views.  Maybe putting all these theories together one may get a glimpse of the truth.  I am not beholding to either view and don't get a check based on beliefs so this is neat.   
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2010, 01:21:51 AM »

Speaking of grain and catastrophes, you did see my post the last week on grain shorting, didn't you?

There is a killing to be made on the folks backs...  as usual...

See these stats also:

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/1...r-dummies.html

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Finally, at the end of 2008/09, these was a huge about of amount of soybean sales outstanding, 2,216,016 MT, which were rolled over into the 2009/10 crop year. This means the exporters couldn't find enough soybeans to make good on the 36,069,606 MT of soybeans they sold last year. Basically, the US ran out of soybeans in August 2009, and the beginning stock of US soybeans should be considered zero for 2009/10.

Outstanding

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At Year End

2001/02.......... 446,721

2002/03.......... 459,879

2003/04.......... 291,586

2004/05.......... 624,737

2005/06.......... 813,820

2006/07.......... 946,268

2007/08.......... 888,059

2008/09.......... -2,216,016



Not looking for for the USD.  Look at the open interest on December 29.

Starting to look like the shorting of gold and silver!


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US DOLLAR COMMERCIAL COT POSITIONS 2009

NOV 17 REPORT

LONGS +372 @ 14,790 or 35.4% of open interest
SHORTS +3,642 @ 12,394 or 29.3% of open interest

DEC 8 REPORT

LONGS +651 @ 10,141 or 20.9% of open interest
SHORTS +11,087 @ 25,222 or 51.9% of open interest

DEC 15 REPORT

LONGS -4,704 @ 5,437 or 10.6% of open interest
SHORTS +7,507 @ 32,729 or 63.8% of open interest

DEC 22 REPORT

LONGS +311 @ 5,748 or 9.6% of open interest
SHORTS +9.015 @41,744 or 69.8% of open interest

DEC 29 REPORT

LONGS +18 @ 5,766 or 9.1% of open interest
SHORTS +5,049 @ 46,793 or 74.1% of open interest
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2010, 04:22:57 PM »

Yes I very much remember you post regarding this.  Part of the reason I have been watching.  Oats, Corn and Wheat have been getting bitch slapped of late. 

That video was made in November I think.  I mean this stuff has been sitting dormant at least in that one location for more than 10 years. 

We have discussed this in the past and that web site just reminds me why I keep some store of good in my storage room.  Indeed with any event even close to what Haiti is experiencing the grocery stores would be empty in a matter of hours.  I never stored stuff until about two years ago and add to and adjust what I keep now.  It's easy to do and I am rotating food stuffs on a continuous basis now. 

I guess some plan is better than no plan and, if I never need to use it that will be great also.   
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2010, 03:00:33 AM »

North Pole picking up speed. 

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7017531445

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127001.300-space-storm-alert-90-seconds-from-catastrophe.html?full=true

Well it is the weekend and slow.   
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