Global Warming ---- Again

[sidewinder]

Global warming guys get bit of a set back as some hacker reported to have downloaded a slew of e-mails between some of the PhDs making a hansome living studying AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming or something like that) means man caused it.

It seems some are saying the emails prove they put in numbers to get the answer they want.  Duh!

This business is lucritive just like the cancer business and they are about to up the ante in Copenhagen in just a few more days.  Good luck World.

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/hackers-prove-global-warming-is-scam.html

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/emails-that-damn-cru-head-jones

I don't believe either side, frankly.    I do know that cap and trade is going to cost us big time and the us is you an me.   I vote for a stand down for the duration of my lifetime.   


"I am condemnend to be free"   -Sartre

[sunseeker]

Hi SW
I’ve heard about those emails too. The comments where supposed to be private and apparently some of the terms used are ones which the scientific community use and have a different meaning than the layman would associate with them. I don’t think that even the politicians have come up with that excuse, but give them time they are a bit slow to catch on.

When I was at school some scientists where predicting that we might experience another “Ice age” in our generations lifetime. I’ll take “Global Warming” any day in preference to the other option.

As far as water shortages go we've got way too much where we live (in Cumbia they have even more). Willing to swop water for just a little sunshine here.

ATB 

[sunseeker]

To reinforce that point that Sidewinder brought up just listen to this:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/741.html

Methinks that it’s not only the climate change figures that are being manipulated for personal or political gain either. If you get my drift.

ATB 

[onlooker]

Articles about opposition to Cap and Trade:

http://www.storyofstuff.com/capandtrade/  and 

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/12/nasa-climate-change-scientist-to-boycott-copenhagen-climate-summit.php

I think that Cap and Trade finally died at the Copenhagen Climate Summit meeting.  Some undeveloped / emerging countries are no longer believers in the Cap and Trade (financial scam) as a solution to global climate change.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8411898.stm

[onlooker]

The "grandfather of climate change" has decided to boycott next week's climate change summit in Copenhagen--and he even hopes it fails. It might seem like an antithetical position for James Hansen, the director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, but his objection is to the cap and trade system being proposed. It's a bold move, but one that will hopefully have an impact because Hansen is quite right about one thing: Cap and trade won't work because it doesn't help solve the root problem.

See:  http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/12/nasa-climate-change-scientist-to-boycott-copenhagen-climate-summit.php

Bravo for the courageous James Hansen

[onlooker]

BANKSTERS LOVE CAP-AND-TRADE

The well-placed and well-connected are set to make trillions off new climate bill; economic collapse about to accelerate

By James Corbett  The Corbett Report   2 July, 2009

That the new carbon trading market can and will be manipulated by the very same financial oligarchs and government bureaucrats who have brought the world to the brink of economic Armageddon is laid bare in a must-read article by Matt Taibi in the latest issue of Rolling Stone. In "The Great Bubble Machine" Taibi meticulously documents how the amazingly well-connected Goldman Sachs has managed to manipulate and profit from every financial bubble since the Roaring Twenties and how they're getting set to do it all over again with the creation of a carbon trading bubble:

"The bank owns a 10 percent stake in the Chicago Climate Exchange, where the carbon credits will be traded. Moreover, Goldman owns a minority stake in Blue Source LLC, a Utah-based firm that sells carbon credits of the type that will be in great demand if the bill passes. Nobel Prize winner Al Gore, who is intimately involved with the planning of cap-and-trade, started up a company called Generation Investment Management with three former bigwigs from Goldman Sachs Asset Management, David Blood, Mark Ferguson and Peter Harris. Their business? Investing in carbon offsets. There's also a $500 million Green Growth Fund set up by a Goldmanite to invest in green-tech ... the list goes on and on. Goldman is ahead of the headlines again, just waiting for someone to make it rain in the right spot."

See:  http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20090702_banksters_cap_trade.htm

If the above article is true, then because the Copenhagen Conference Summit has failed, then Wall Street is no longer set to make excepted trillions?  I suspect that energy markets will be effected.