Gold - Mystery - Murder - Plunder - How much Gold is really out there?

[sidewinder]

For nearly 50 years the Japanese staged a systematic plunder of all Asia.  In the Final days of WWII with the rape and plunder of SE Asia fairly complete the vast portion of the treasure was in Singapore.  The Japanese wanted to get many tons of gold and other valuable booty back to the Home Islands.  The allies however, had secured the shipping route preventing the plunder which became known a Yamashita's treasure from ever reaching the homeland.  So the loot made a "pit stop'' in the Phillipines. 

Now this is one of those things, legendary and based on fact that may or may not have morphed into some wild and woolly life of it's own.  Much has been written about this and there are people and groups that have been searching for this loot since the end of WWII.  there must be hundreds of web sites whose owners will gladly "let you in" on a chance of a lifetime, of course for a fee to support on going digs.  I know of some guys, quite sane but adventurous, that have been there for over 10 years.  I guess if you believe in something strong enough you don't quit. 

To this day there is no one that can show anyone a single piece of the gold.  There was a law suit against the Marcos estate in Hawaii that comes as close to believable as anything I have seen.  I will put below an article. 

without a doubt the Japanese plundered southeast Asia.  Without a doubt there must be  possible 100's of Tons of gold somewhere but, where? 

The man that sued Marcos did so after Marcos fled to Hawaii.  The man in question was named Roxas and was awarded $22 billion by a jury in Hawaii.  Roxas, claimed to have located a tunnel containing about 1,000 boxes of Gold bullion and a statue of Buddha in 22 carat gold weighing about 1,000 pounds.  He claimed when he got the statue back to his home he discovered the head was detachable and the body hollowed out and filled with diamonds.  After a few days the word of the find got around and Marcos sent Army troops to pick up Roxas and the gold.  Roxas claims he was then subject to beatings and torture until he disclose the location of the tunnel. 

What's the point in my telling all this?  Well with all this conjecture about gold manipulations and gold value, I thought I would give you all something else to keep you awake at night.  We all know Marcos left the Phillipines on a U.S. Air Force plane bound for Hawaii.  Much has been written that he brought lots of gold on that plane.  What I believe happened is that Roxas Actually did find one of the hidden sites and there was a large quantity of gold located there.  Marcos did take it.  Marcos fled about to lose his life and his buddies in the US like George H W Bush a former CIA director and Henry Kissinger "The Fixer" were well aware of the amount of bullion Marcos had under his control.  "You want us to save your bacon, turn it over."  After all, it was Japanese plunder, but it would be illegal for the U.S. to take possession.  I had to be done covertly.  And how can you get that kind of value into the market?  This is a big deal IMO.  This is Billions of dollars and a few few guys can make a lot of things happen with this kind of stash of bullion. 

I will add a link or two to provide some brain Stimulus below but for now Some background and an article in the Lawyers Weekly from 1997.

http://www.thelifeofadventure.com/yamashitas-gold/


http://www.tseatc.com/jury.html
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[sidewinder]

Now for the good stuff .... the conspiracy theory. ( I still don't buy the World Trade Center thing though.)

Its a little long but the guy is thorough.  Names backed up with ref.  dates, times etc.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9421535/Collateral-Damage-Part-2-The-Subprime-Crisis-and-the-Terrorist-Attacks-on-September-11-200126122008

and this one just ties into all this latest mess.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17233378/134-Billion-Suitcase-Bomb

[sidewinder]

My point is, I think there is LOTS of gold out there, and someone has been playing loose and fast with the law.  Actually, lots of someones. 

[sidewinder]

Guess no one is interested in My gold theory ..Oh well.

after WWII I theorize the Japs were treated better than the Germans for one reason.  They (the allies) had or knew where to put their hands on the German booty.  The Japanese ... different story.  Plus you had the royal family to deal with.  Would it be wise to execute the Emperor?

 I do believe some were let off the hook in Japan in order to get our hands on the vast wealth looted from Asia by the Japs.

 I do believe that eventually some entity of the US government DID get their hands on a large portion of the gold and I further believe the latest grab came from Marcos when we flew him out before they tarred and feathered him for killing Benigno Aquino.

 I do believe that that much gold could not be put into the market without attracting attention.  It would be not only morally wrong to just take the gold but also illegal.  The gold has the blood of millions of Asians on it and would spark great debate as to who it rightfully belongs to and other diplomatic nightmares. 

  I do believe that it would take great power inside the government that got this gold to somehow get it into the system without discovery and questions as to the legality.  I also believe that anyone purpertrating the scheme would also want to control and profit off the gold. 

I do believe that under the veil of doing "greater good" for the country the funds were used to bring down the Russian ruble and other nefarious actions resulting in the failure of the Soviet Union.

I also believe that only a portion of this loot has been discovered but the rest may Never be found. 

Whether or not anything I believe is certain, one thing is for sure.  The Japs had it.  It has not been accounted for to my knowledge.  This amount of wealth would get the full attention of anyone with half a brain in any government and is such a large amount of gold that it helps me make some sense of the purported mystery surrounding the gold markets of today.  It is also enough gold IMHO to make George Washington tell a lie.   

 

[Bottomfeeder]

SW....dont you mean "Honest Abe" .

BTW.....I've been reading, appreciate the effort!

[onlooker]

SW:

I second BF’s comment.  Thanks for reminding us that gold has many aspects to it.  That there are ugly and hardy-har-har sides to gold.   

[sidewinder]

The old story about Washington is.  He got a new hatchet as a young boy and chopped down one of his fathers cherry trees.  When asked about it he replied "Father I cannot tell a lie, yes I chopped the tree".  Honest Abe eh .... Has there ever really been an honest politician?

[pinetree]

Guess no one is interested in My gold theory ..Oh well

I've been reading too.  Just haven't commented as I've been busy as always with charting and also been spending a little time reviewing uranium stock balance sheets just to put my mind at ease that taking some positions a few weeks ago wasn't a death wish LOL.  Really fun story and am awaiting future installments.

[onlooker]

E.P. Heidner’s articles take conspiracy yarns to a whole new level.  Wow.     Jim Willie is so passé.

[Bottomfeeder]

Aha....I forgot about the cherry tree story!

[onlooker]

S.W.

OK I have been biting my tongue long enough on this Gold thing.

( I still don't buy the World Trade Center thing though.)

It is the first time I have read anything by E.P. Heidner.

I am a professional accredited civil engineer with over twenty years working experience.  I was not good in the maths, so I went into construction site management.  My projects have included the construction of buildings, airports, and tunnels.   The tunnel project required me to have my crew use explosives to enlarged tunnel openings.  So, I had to learn about explosives.

Here are pics showing the size of some of the projects:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/prairieandnorthern/images/Edmonton_TCC.jpg
http://www.gakei.com/dhk/19960601.jpg

One day, I stumble upon the 9/11 conspiracy theories on the internet.  One video clip really got my attention.  In my professional opinion, it show the most prefect controlled demolition of one tower going down.  Despite all my years of construction experience, I put aside what I saw as hogwash.   I thought that it was not possible for Americans to turn against themselves just to start a war.  Not possible.  Not possible…..

E.P. Heidner makes a case that 9/11 was for profit.  Freaking unbelieveable!

But, after reading E.P. Heidner's articles, I still do not want to buy into the 9/11 conspiracy theories.  Not possible.  Not possible…..

S.W., when you unbite your tongue you sure know how to do it in a big way.      

[Bottomfeeder]

Onlooker.....yeah its just craziness.  It amazes me that so many people look for the extreme remote possibilities on so many things, as opposed to looking at things that appear to be so much more than likely to explain why different things happen.  I mean seriously, what is more likely, the US government killing its own citizens and whacking its economic base or radical muslims waging holy war against America?

Maybe a better choice of words would be "not believable" as opposed to "unbelievable".

I have watched documentaries on the collapse, which illustrates the melting of the beams from the heat of the jet fuel flowing to the bottom of the structure, with the weight causing the orderly collapse of the structures.

Makes sense to me.

[sidewinder]

Onlooker, How can anyone ever thingkthat anything of this kind could possibly happen in America.  something like this boggles the mind and cognitive dissonance prevents one from even considering such an unbelievable scenario.  I see much evidence presented and still refuse to believe that theory.  

History does support the looting of Asia.  Where is that loot?  Why did the Japanese upper echelon enjoy "forgiveness"  for the crimes of WWII?  Why weren't Germans treated the same way?  Marcos had a portion (very small portion) of that gold in his possession.  He even hired a metals expert to smelt the gold and remove impurities that would make it traceable to certain locations.  Many saw the gold in various locations in the phillipines.   Where is it.... or rather where did it go?  This is off such a magnitude it boggles the mind.

I won't use the word friend that would imply we were close, but the Captain of the UAL aircraft and I were hired the same week.  I knew him when we were going through initial training together.  I Have over 27,000 hours of flight time and over 10,000 of that was on the 747, a big airplane.  I don't think I could have flown even a smaller more agile 757 into a particular floor of a tall building such as the twin towers with the precision described in the report.  Could someone with my skills hit a particular building?  Yes.  Could I make the point of impact NEAR the desired target floor?  Yes.  But a Camel jockey with very little training would be lucky to get within 10 floors of a desired target.  Just hit the building .... that's all that was necessary.  

Like you I have watched the film of the terrible day in 2001 over and over.  I just don't to this day understand and my limited knowledge of physics cant register how those impacts could have led to the perfect implosion of those two buildings in such a short time period.

I am not meaning to get into a grand discussion of the 9-11 attacks.  It will be debated far into the future and likely, the truth will never be known.  I did want to make all my gold loving friends aware of the fact that there is likely a lot of gold which has been slowly "feed"  into the system over the last several decades.  And this may just be the reason of some things appearing "weird" or "shady" to folks like GATA and others.  Something of this magnitude requires covert operators from high levels of government, Banking and involvement of several countries highest levels.  Greed and lust for power has over the course of human history caused much more loss of human life than that day in September 2001.  

My question remains ......... what happened to all that gold?

 

[Bottomfeeder]

SW.....How could they hit the buildings with their limited training?

Perhaps by luck?   LOL

[sidewinder]

 Oh I think they were quite able to hit the buildings with limited training.  does not take that much training to fly into an object once airborne.  And the training apparently was pretty good.  After all they had to navigate a 757 several hundred miles to the target.  The "pilot" terrorist had received fairly good training in order to go into a "strange' cockpit and figure out where everything was.  They all has some 757 experience IMO.  And I think records indicate time in 757 simulators.  There are programs on the internet that anyone can practice on for a similar experience.  But as one of the reports on 'false flag" attack suggest, I do not believe they could have put the aircraft into a precise floor of the building in order to bring about the type of collapse we all saw. 

 All the fuel that "melted' the steel structure.  Hmmm At least one of the WTC airplanes was on Boston to LAX flight and would have around 6 hours of fuel on board max at take off, considering the flight time and reserves.  I forget the fuel burn on the domestic 757 model but somewhere around 3,000 pounds per hour would be reasonable.  They burned off more than an hours worth of that and considering the terrorist were not exactly trying to save fuel and the period of time at lower altitude which burns more fuel how much was on board at impact. 

 I guess I could get the exact figures but this is just for sake of argument so don't get hung up on calling me on the numbers OK.  I would guess they expended around 4500 pound of fuel prior to impact and if they departed with 18,000 pounds the would leave 13,500 in the tanks at impact.  Generic weight of JP-4 is 6.8 pounds per gallon so they had just under 2,000 gallons of JP-4, which ignited on impact.  that's a lot of fuel but that was a lot of building. Standard issue Mark-77 napalm canister contains about 75 gallons of nape.  So the effect is like 26 Napalm MK-77s at one time.  I have seen those things dropped two at a time and that's enough fire at one time to make the Devil blush.  But after the initial fireball, what's left?

 The next thing I wondered is, witnessing the initial explosion How much of the fuel was consumed in the primary fireball.  I would think quite a large percentage of it was expended in the initial blast.  I am not sure of the rate of burn of un-contained JP-4 and would think the rate of burn compared to more volatile gasoline is slower, and much faster than the gelled napalm, so I give some credit to fuel "running" or "seeping" onto the floors below.  But enough to create the amount of heat to melt steel beams and girders?  Again, as a non-engineering degree type I can't be certain, but as a lay person, I would  regard those declarations by experts and whomever as the cause of the collapse, as questionable.

  Look, I don't know what to believe frankly,  but observing the actions since 9-11 and applying it to known history in the context of my original discussion It does not stray far from my mind.  I am not a conspiracy freak but do love to read some of this stuff.  Most can be dismissed out of hand with knowledge filed away over years of  seeing such, this one just lingers however. 

  The possible connection with this gold is my concern.  Somebody got a lot of it IMO. What happened to it.  How was it used or is being used today?  Who the hell are THEY.  These are questions the people of the World, not just the US deserve an answer.  98% of the human element on earth could care less, and for that matter have NO idea what I am talking about, but everyone of them will be affected by it if any portion has any merit.