Gulf Oil Spill - Disaster of Biblical Proportions?

[MetalMeister]

I apologize that I have not been around here doing some posting for the last month or so but politics called and I filed candidates for 13 county offices where I live so it was a lot of work on everyone's part and it has been very intense also since the other parties filed their objections.

Nice to be highly considered as a threat to the 2 party system/duopoly!!!

Starting this new thread because information is getting out all over the place that there is far more to this oil spill that meets the eye and this video is a great starting point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPKFoj7sPds&feature=related

[sidewinder]

First of all I would not in the least doubt the formation of a large or several large gas plumes beneath the surface.  But ................  That guy is full of shit.  He sounds to me like on who thrives (and profits) on perpetuating conspiracy theories.  I heard this show about a month ago.  Now I will tell you why I think he knows nothing about what he's talking about. 

around 1:25 into the recording he goes on about GPS as if it is some proof of his story.  He mentions the GPS is degraded (which it is .... sometimes) and they don't have access to the highest possible resolution of GPS available.  Or something to that effect.  I have been using GPS since it was invented.  Unless it's cut completely off I have never seen it degraded more than 7-8 meters of accuracy but generally its good to a couple meters.  GPS was put up for military guidance to begin with and I would want the military to have complete control.  Anyone can use the signal including an enemy so we need that capability to degrade and even send false information to receivers.

  Just the way he talks and describes how they located the gas bubbles sound BS to me and we all know there a plenty of nut jobs out there.  Ure pisses me off time to time with some of the BS he spews out and I thing his site is where I originally got directed to this interview. 

Lots of people are making a living talking Sh** on late night AM radio and I guess it's good work if you can get it.  This thing is bad enough without the freak show on late night radio and these guys.  As I said I've no doubt there are some gas bubbles ganging up beneath the surface due to the type of dispersant the fools used to begin with but I don't buy this guys story he just sensationalizes too much to believe.

Not beating up on you YC, it's just that this is likely as serious as you think without the radio nuts adding to the unknown with wild speculation.  It's actually possible that he's correct about some of it and it may be worse than what he says, but I don't think for a second he knows for sure what he is talking about and therein lie my problem with it.  .     

[onlooker]

In early May, the oil spew from the damaged oil riser looked like it could be stopped.  At another thread, I stumbled onto a couple of scientists. Together, we (I have years of heavy civil engineering construction experience) put together our internet heads and diligently tried to come up with possible solutions.  We submitted our proposals to BP (see:  http://www.epa.gov/bpspill/techsolution.html ) and to Secretary of Energy, Steven Chu.

We contacted other scientists, NASA, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Canada’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Lawrence Cannon … anyone that we can think of.  We wanted our contacts to take whatever actions to get the US government to stop the oil spew.  We nicknamed our efforts with the acronym – S.O.S. for Stop Oil Spew.

But, by the middle of June, to our disbelief, it dawned on us that the US government and BP were not going to S.O.S. the Gulf of Mexico. 

The Gulf of Mexico was being blanketed with Corexit 9500, a toxic solvent (see:  http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1086523/pg1 ).  There was the beginning of clamping down on news about the crisis.  The damage oil riser was cut opened, and the oil spew became greater and more uncontrollable.  By then, we realized that BP was cut from the same cloth as Goldman Sachs.  BP’s first priory is to make profits.

Early capping of the damage oil riser was never part of BP’s game plan.  So, anyone desperately trying to find solutions to cap the damage oil riser as early as May knew by the month of June that they were naïve knuckleheads.

The thread died on June 4, 2010 because it received no more postings.  I suspect posters at the thread are still sincerely very concern about the Gulf of Mexico crisis, but they realized that the Powers-that-be have their own agendas and cannot be stopped.      

[MetalMeister]

OL,

Very interesting indeed.  It seems to be to be a simple thing to stop this leak from a minor engineering perspective.

The problem is that even consider stopping the leakage.  it will never be stopped until the pressures drop to 3500 ppsi

Seems like the easiest thing to me would to be to build a great funnel with a very wide pipe, maybe 10-20 feet in diameter, and a seal at the bottom to connect to the riser that has been cut.

That relieves the pressure point at the connection to the riser.

Then you stick a bunch of siphons into that huge funnel pipe and suck it all up into several offloading vessels at the same time and just alternate with empty vessels as they fill up.

Also eventually eliminates the salt water mixed with the oil.

What is so hard about this?


SW,

I hear ya man!  At least this is better than having JDH beat us up about not posting! 

[sidewinder]

I don't see why they don't just pour a giant concrete cask with a 6-7 foot diameter siphon tube on it lower the whole thing down and around the damaged pipe and just build the pipe to the surface and run multiple lines to vessels and even to shore and just capture what's naturally coming out. 

pissing around as they have only makes it worse.  This could be done in the time it's taken so far.  Be like the Alaska pipeline only in the gulf.   And yes I understand the logistics of it, but at least it's a PLAN, something it doesn't appear to be in existence today.  Always heard where there's will there's a way.

[MetalMeister]

SW,

Not sure what the effect of the lbs psi would be on concrete at that depth.

I was thinking steel.

Maybe the overall depth of the ocean and the movement/force of the water is a problem with such a large cylinder?

OL?

[onlooker]

YC quote:

SW,

Not sure what the effect of the lbs psi would be on concrete at that depth.

I was thinking steel.

Maybe the overall depth of the ocean and the movement/force of the water is a problem with such a large cylinder?

OL?

At another website, at a thread originated by poster, TideFighter; I learned that after the day of the explosion at the Deep Horizon Oil Rig project; BP had always gave its all to meet its first corporate priority – to capture its newly founded black gold and to hell with everything else.

Whereas, I, along with other posters at the same thread committed our entire group thinking to cap the spewing toxic oil.

Call me a tree hugger, or an idealist or a bohemian or safe consumer food advocate; but I am not going switch sides and make suggestions on how to capture BP’s toxic black gold. 

[onlooker]

What I learned at the thread “That was a really Dome idea! Worthless Waves and Charts be Folded!” started by and in July, abandoned by TideFighter.

Entry to this thread can be done by going through this procedure at Kitco:   https://www.kitcomm.com/register.php?do=signup , then go to the “Bar and Grill” section, then go to thread “That was a really Dome idea! Worthless Waves and Charts be Folded!”   

TideFighter was a wealthy former banker who ran a business and owned properties at the Gulf of Mexico.  In order to protect his financial interests, he was onboard with citizen committees which had lines of communications and access to BP. 

Through his contacts with some of BP’s site staff at the Deep Horizon Oil Rig project, he was made aware of the actual problems of the project soon after the explosion at the oil rig, and became the “Andrew Maguire” for reporting what was really happening from day one and at ground zero, the Gulf of Mexico. 

TideFighter started a thread at Kitco, and it became an open S.O.S. call for the Gulf of Mexico crisis.

I, and others responded to his thread.

From TideFighter’s comments, I have concluded that if the current oil spew into the Gulf of Mexico crisis is not stop in August as according to BP’s published propaganda, and continues into September, then into December, then into February 2011, and so on; the currently under reported Gulf of Mexico crisis will be the ultimate death knell to the struggling American economy and health care system.

Here are some of his postings.  You can decide for yourself what to make of his comments.

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May 18, 2010

OK, Two Horses, I am relaxed (maybe a little tone deaf). But, I'm guessing you don't own five properties on the beach that you spent twenty years of your life paying off, like me. I'm guessing you don't have a business that will be affected, like mine. I'm guessing you don't have 70 employees and one of the biggest payrolls in the southern part of this county, like I do. It is MY apocalypse, not yours. I get it. For the record, I don't really care what you think. On the original post, I explained why this was posted to gold forum and not the economic forum.

I'll try to help you out a little more. If you lived in the area that will be affected, your property exposed to ruin, your business closed, your primary paper assets now at risk with one of the aforementioned banks, and your credit slammed because no bank, in their right mind, is going to lend you a one thin dime when "the oil is coming", does that qualify as an apocalypse?

Or, I'm guessing, when it only happens to you? Hint: Ya' go buy gold, silver, and other PM's. Drain your bank account (which then lack of balance creates credit risk-try having a several million dollar loan with no account monthly carry!).

I never said I had an apocalyptic view, you did. I am very fortunate to have assets that I can convert to PM's. BTW, in my 20 years of being in business here, I have met, and personally know, three local presidents of banks. They are horrified about the oil spew and have damage control meetings every day. They fear runs on their banks and mortgage defaults, commercial and personal, out the wazoo. In fact, i have a golf game with one on Thursday. I'll warn him of the fake apocalypse.

Maybe I'll beat him this time.

We are hard working folks that will forever drive by BP gas stations. I suppose that's you, over there, hiding behind pump number 3.

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May 21, 2010

What I feared most has arrived. Our eyes are burning (not badly at this point) and the air smells like kerosene. Talked to my banker at Wells Fargo (Wachovia), I've known her for 15 years. If you think this is not going to be an economic disaster, you are dead wrong. They are quietly discussing "run-on-bank" scenarios and even calling their largest customers, in part to get a take on their "plans", and it part to make their own.

At this level, tourists will hang around for a day or two, thinking the smell will pass. As it grows stronger, they will leave and not come back. We had strong cancellations for two weeks after spill, then lull, now kicking back in full force.

My neighbor saw my new little "toy" and said OMG, it's here. He is 78 years old and never bought PM's, although he has plenty of wealth, mostly paid off property, like me. His tan left his face. I will never forget the look he gave me. Never.

[onlooker]

May 21, 2010

Vigilantys,

To me, the answer to all of your questions pertaining to the markets is a simple one. Please understand that I am quite educated and very experienced in the business world. I solve problems, sometimes critical ones (with regards to my operations), on a daily, or at least weekly basis. I see potential problems before they become dangerous or expensive ones and solve them without the hindrance of foreign agenda. Enough said, the answer to your dilemma is:

The oil is not on the beach yet. We live in a human market that trades faster than stocks or bonds, but we still need our senses to trade our "bid" and "ask." Look no further than the couple, known to me and living on beach, go out everyday and "stare" out at the surf, expecting to see something out of 2012. But each hour, this couple begins to believe the press and propaganda stories that the spill "is not so bad" and just maybe "we got lucky."

Two days go by, and the couple stares at the surf less and less while thinking, "This time, maybe we have been spared." Then, what was once calculable disaster and ruin actually begins. It's just like your doctor walking into your room and saying, "I'm sorry Mr. Jones, you have cancer." You are not going to die today, maybe never of cancer, but you have cancer and that becomes your focus. I'm not trying to be dramatic, but today was the first day we were told, "I'm sorry, you have cancer." Your properties have cancer. Your business has cancer. And, just to be safe, maybe your grandson shouldn't visit you on the beach for a (long) while. Uh, oh, things just changed.

Today, my wife and I are sick. We are normally very healthy and not sick often, and especially at the same time. But today, our noses sting, we have nausea, our eyes are red, and both of us are fielding the same complaints from neighbors. Either the H1N1 virus has hit town, or these are the first effects of the oil spill upon our air quality. And, the oil has not hit the beach yet! Sensory 1 (nose) telling brain, "Gee, should I really be here?" Sensory 2 (eyes) will kick in when oil hits the beach and confirms sensory 1. Like the third wave, ultimate confirmation when dead animals begin to appear out of nowhere. Maybe this is no big deal (some of you understand) what a big deal it is that the bees disappeared today. Magnolias in full bloom, and no bees.

If this is all we continue to experience, no big deal. At some point, we can't stand the smell any longer and will sell the property and business and move out of the area. If the beach is black with oil and littered with dead animals, we will move very quickly, without regard to selling our properties and business. Our 2mm+ house has no value. Our business cannot possible ask its employees to stay and becomes worthless. It is the difference between sensing your property still has value, versus knowing that it does not. Of course, we are sensible people and not near that point. The oil has not hit the beach. Simple.

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May 23, 2010

Orbit,

It seems that every time I get back to this post, you have made thoughtful contributions waiting for the world to read. I am grateful.

My employees had a bit of a panic attack on Friday and I was busy trying to calm their fears that although the United States of America does not have a contingency plan, we do. I've set aside moving funds and "put together" another fund that will cover any employee's medical insurance deductible. Our company is very near the beach and I am silently worried about two employees that are pregnant. Two large restaurant owners (my friends) and I met late Thursday to compare notes and determine what we could be doing at this point. We have prepared to our limits and waiting to see what the economic impact will be when oil hits the beach.

I know this will seem a leap from the topic of oil to gold-but while making preservation plans-PM's come up often. Many posters have asked "Sure, the disaster will be horrible, but how will it affect the price of gold?" To be honest, that is a very fair question to which I believe I can now answer. At first, I attributed the fervor over gold acquisition to the now guaranteed failure of the regional banks that are so heavily invested along the Gulf Coast. But, that's not the reason as a stronger emotion is in play. I will elaborate at the end of this post.

Nobody believes that this oil spew (thanks: "SOS") could not have been stopped within 48 hours. BP wanted to retrieve the oil and control the wellhead, making more than 1.3 billion dollars per year. They erroneously calculated that they could allow the spew to continue while they came up with a plan to capture the oil. If they captured the oil within a few days, the oil would probably disperse evenly resulting in a non-event. As proof this is true, they did not allow the platform workers to be released until after more than 50 hours of sequester and forcing them to sign releases. Disgusting BP.

After about five days, BP knew that they could not siphon off the oil (and gas) due to the tremendous pressure, as conventional ideas, equipment, and tools were not designed to work at 5,000 feet and at tremendous PSI. The BOP ram WAS NOT ATTEMPTED for 8 days after the initial disaster. They lost 8 days thinking the ram would work, even though they were using untested hardened pipe metal. BP did not tell the incompetents at MMS that the ram did not work, and Obama was called in when BP finally panicked and did not want to tell MMS first. They needed a lock down of news media, with special regard to the fictitious 5,000 barrel flow. Obama came flying in and his entourage went to Venice and basically told BP that is was their problem.

Now the agenda ensued. BP was in an untenable situation through miscalculation that Obama was going to help from "day 1" (really-day 9). They gambled and Obama called their bluff. Now what the hell do they do?

Since oil spew (SOS) could not be stopped (the relief well being the only solution), BP agreed to pay for millions of gallons of Corexit 9500 (made by NALCO: NYSE-"NLC") That much Corexit 9500 required Congressional approval from a committee, chaired by none other than Nancy Pellosi, at 1:15 a.m. (much earlier in California). The plan now was to have the Air Force spray unlimited amounts on any oil that was seen outside a grid marked off by Coast Guard. The Corexit was applied, over and over again, on the northern grids so oil would not be seen approaching beach. C-130's and C-141's filled up with Corexit and took off so often that you would have thought it was the Berlin airlift. They gambled and let the southern grid get out of control-now we know it will be in the everglades and off Keys.

Employees and even contracted workers were threatened by BP not to disclose ANY information and tow the BP line, just like the platform workers. Obama probably kept the Coast Guard and Navy in line too. I saw fear everywhere.

Success! The oil broke apart and sank under the surface. We now fear that sub-surface oil north of the grid could be 100 times what is on top. The result will be a "rolling oil tide" when oil comes ashore.

Back to gold. The entire oil spew and the blatant disregard to solve the problem has people in Its path scurrying to preserve what wealth they have left. There was discussion that damage claims would be "measured" by the overall impact of each person's current personal economic situation. In other words, if you have a bundle in the bank, you would have to disclose it to get a claim paid. If you had enough, maybe no claim. I have heard that tax returns, bank statements, and even CPA audits will be necessary to collect on a claim. If you heard that, what would you do?

Kitco.....Tulving.....APMEX. Enough said.

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May 26, 2010

I was waiting for..and am grateful that you made that above post. I know you were unconcerned about the oil spew at your location, but I am going out on boats and flying in helos to and from many areas just south of you. Just read all of my posts where I posted information that was anywhere from 2 days ahead of news media to sometimes more than a week ahead of news media. By no means, am I trying to toot my own horn. I'm too tired to toot. But the sub-surface oil levels are so tremendous that these "landings" could appear for the next 20 years, or more. The congealed oil could be hanging up on reefs or floor topographic rises only to appear after a good storm. One measure gone unreported, the slicks are reforming at different weights and levels-this really scares me as I cannot make calculations of slicks all at one level-they don't exist. Future landings, therefore, could appear at any time, from any depth, and stay (cleanup) rolling in for hugely variant time lengths. If the oil was allowed to stay on surface, skimming could have continued day and night, oil slicks tracked, bring in the Corps of Engineers and Navy, and use thousands of boats all coordinated by GPS mapping and scurrying from place to place to minimize affects.

My point is extremely relevant and your post is extremely important too. Your initial reaction is what I am up against over here in the panhandle on a daily basis. I've not screamed, "It's the end of the world" but rather told people to "please, please, prepare", the same that anyone would do for a hurricane. The preparation is not just get food and water stored, that's obvious. What is not obvious is to collect vasts amounts of data, pictures, interviews, etc. that can be used for the rounds and rounds of litigation to follow. Expect our home and business insurance companies to fail under the pressure of initial claims + ongoing claims. I've got three statements from FEMA saying it is doubtful that FEMA will be involved in paying claims. BP will have no assets-theirs being stripped by EPA. Who in the *ell is going to pay claims? Will this be like the stock market, "board up in May and go away?" This will come down to suing the incompetent government officials that are most likely to win, unless vast amounts of data are presented that show how incompetent they were, that nobody was taking responsible actions, and while they were partying downtown New Orleans almost every night, were they using government credit cards?

Doesn't everybody see that this oil spew has to fall on the liability of the government, or am I the only one out front on this? Don't post that it was BP's fault, blah, blah, blah, and they should be held accountable. They won't have the assets to sue, they are soon to be broke, and making themselves more judgment proof every day. The blame has to be pointed directly at the government, sans the terrific Coast Guard and the work they are trying to do, despite having incompetent bosses with strictly political agendas.

ANYBODY, reading these posts from Texas to Tampa to Palm Beach-get as much data as possible. I am making an online database that can be accessed for a small fee that will contain data and pictures as Plaintiff's evidence for legal actions. The fee will pay an IT guy 24/7 to help/assist property and business owners retrieve data. After much thought, this approach is better than going to news and getting shut down on new info coming in. We must crouch down like tigers and stalk our victims silently-while preparing for the kill. It's the only way.

For all you guys on the government dime that hit the NO night life, didn't Elliot's Client #9 teach you anything? You don't think that $50 hookers talk? How did you sleep, over at the Marriott, when workers are getting sick and oil continues to roll in. It's 3:00 a.m. right now where I am, and I can't sleep. In fact, I'm really fortunate to get 2 hours a night. My 2010 car has 37,000 miles on it-and it has not been north of I-10. But, all of your meetings, which half of you miss the conference room if scheduled at or before 8:00 (hangover) resulted in nothing anyway.

BTW, if you think the oil disaster in the marshes is close to the peak, consider this. Less than 1% of the oil that's coming to shore in those marshes has already arrived. This is what I've been stumping about. This disaster will continue for many, many years. All of these "rankings" about being in the top ten spills, yadda yadda, what numbers are you using? Are you counting the fact the Corexit 9500 has been used to "sink" as much as 90% of the oil? Are you ranking this spill based upon what is on top of the water? Isn't that a bit miscalculated and short-sided?

Again, if you live 0-50 miles north of the ocean, PLEASE have a contingency plan. Have a plan to remove your clothing, paintings, pictures, bedding, drapes, rugs, anything paper or cloth. These items, less likely to be paid for true value, should be spared. Not now, just be ready to move them.

Go to Costco or other big box mart and get those large rolls of plastic to wrap electronics and furniture. Go around same over and over until you feel that you have made them air tight. This would be stage II, just preparing furniture and electronics for move. You can easily make your own "vacuum" by cutting small round hole in plastic and using PVC pipe-then your vacuum cleaner to suck out air-tape over hole and check for leaks. This works extremely well for paintings and pictures in frames.

Know where to get U-Haul or other trailer and truck for Stage III, actually moving your wrapped items and moving them to storage or new living area at least 150-200 miles north of ocean. You can always bring them back later on. Get your storage space now-they are starting to dwindle down.

Have food and plenty of bottled water (gee, don't we all do this for hurricane season anyway?) to make trips moving furniture and other items. Buy whatever masks you can afford, from simple painter's masks at Home Depot or medical supply stores to elaborate ventilators found in surplus stores or on the Internet.

Get out your insurance policy and actually read it. Know where you stand. Call your agent. Know your procedure for filing claims. It will result in much less stress, believe me.

Wax your cars. Really. Wax them to protect the paint. Consider buying enough plastic to cover expensive landscaping (rarely covered by insurance) on really "bad" days. Yes, we will have really bad days. If you can afford to paint your house, do so now. Take pictures immediately after you paint. Take pictures of your landscaping. Take pictures of producing fruit and nut trees.

If the smell is inside your house, empty and shut off your refrigerator. Try to enter/leave your house as little as possible and store several boxes of a/c filters and change them frequently.

Cover an area with tarp or plastic to pull back for your pets to go to bathroom. DO NOT walk them through woods, grass, etc. as chemicals will accumulate in their fur and paws. It is very tough to get a dog or cat to wear a mask, so they should be moved at stage I.

Have enough gas to get you to your safety zone. If you have a small generator, or can afford to buy one, now is the time. I have several air cleaning units to introduce, and the factories that produce them will make them available at their wholesale factory price (60% savings). I would only buy these if you decide to return, whether the "all clear" has been given or not. Why take chances. These units remove particulates and other dangerous stuff. I'll have a factory number where you can deal with them direct. More later....

[onlooker]

June 3, 2010

Just how far away is "safe" from the Spew? You might look no further than title insurance agencies that are reporting record cancellations for commercial and jumbo loans on properties south of I-10. But, it seems Aunt Fannie and Uncle Freddie have been given the mandate to still close soon-to-be toxic loans (conforming) to throw on their current mega pile! In the mortgage business, at least since the 70's, when a major storm approached within 750 miles, home insurance could not be issued and the borrower had to wait to close until the storm passed. This time, something "special" is in the air.

Non-conforming loans and commercial loans that were scheduled for closing are now under final contingencies that include: location, location, location. Imagine that. Not wanting to close on a property that may not be usable for years. So, NOAA can issue clean air and water test results, but you just can't close on a house or business unless you are tens or even hundreds of miles away from the ocean?

Nobody is policing this or wants to be responsible to give the "all clear" sign.
If you can't get a commercial loan on your property, you can't sell it either.
Now these properties are not just worth less, they are worthless.

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June 9, 2010

The oil plume that I viewed from the helo (reported here) has broken its stationary pattern and is now moving towards Pensacola Bay with northern current and mild winds. I expect that Pensacola Bay may be 50% to 60% covered in oil in the next 48-72 hours. This plume will be the highest concentrate of oil and Corexit to hit a metro area (pop: 400,000). Their reactions will become the barometer to measure calm, or panic, when the oil rolls over the remainder of the panhandle, then to Tampa and around the horn. We are in full tourist season and many Panhandles' Cities of Commerce are hyping that the water is clear (so is Corexit), so dive right in.

MORE ON COREXIT:

But what most people don’t know is that the active ingredient of the toxic chemical dispersant, which is up to 60% by volume, being sprayed by BP to fight the Gulf oil spill is a neurotoxin pesticide that is acutely toxic to both human and aquatic life, causes cancer, causes damage to internal organs such as the liver and kidneys simply by absorbing it through the skin and may cause reproductive side effects.

In fact the neurotoxin pesticide that is lethal to 50% of life in concentrations as little as 2.6 parts per million has been banned for use in the UK since 1998 because it failed the UK “Rocky shore test” which assures that the dispersant does not cause a “significant deleterious ecological change” – or to put that in layman’s terms it can kill off the entire food chain.

The main ingredients of Corexit is 2-Butoxyethanol which can make up to 60% of the dispersant and is known to be toxic to blood, kidneys, liver, and the central nervous system (CNS).

2-Butoxyethanol is also known to cause cancer, birth defects and has been found to cause genetic mutations and is a delayed chronic health hazard as well as an environmental hazardous material. Corexit also contains Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, and Cyanide.

For the love of God, why are people still swimming in the ocean between the plumes and shore? I have given warnings from Louisiana to Florida, and I get the bovine stare. The EPA ordered BP to stop spraying in the first week and they refused (isn't that a crime in itself?). Their reply was to hire 75 more planes equipped to spray. Corexit is the reason that this disaster has been seemingly been put on hold. It's not on hold, the oil has been sinking.

BP will soon become guilty of the most egregious ecological man-made disaster of all time. I doubt that anyone could find a post stating 'BP was finished' before me on any post. I knew it on day two when the entire sky was filled with C-130 spray tankers. The EPA reports that just over 1,000,000 gallons of Corexit have been used. They had to switch delivery systems to the airfields from trucks to railroad cars. A standard railroad car handles about 22,000 gallons. I saw 23 railroad cars loaded with Corexit on one rail spur. It was gone the next day and 17 cars appeared less than 36 hours later (fuel cars are brought in on another spur). My belief is that more than 12,000,000 gallons of Corexit have been used. Since Corexit "stacks" molecules, the affects can be felt when the WATER IS CLEAR AND NO OIL PRESENT.

After my road trip in which I found a new potential place to live, I am headed to Pensacola to report. I have become quite the tester with my equipment, but still see the need to double and triple verify my test results. On Monday or Tuesday, I will upload interviews from the Pensacola area, so that others may judge the haste of their actions. I will also provide the latest VERIFIED test results. We, as a human race, need to come together to get through this. I won't lie, it will be tough. If you knew me personally, my next statement would come as a shock. Yes, there will be civil unrest. Prepare.

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June 28, 2010

tcg and others,

Tomorrow night I will post updates that answer many questions on this forum, including test levels for dioxins and dangerous chemicals. I am attending a private meeting tomorrow and will include that information as well.

Briefly, I have validated the reasons to pack up and move away from the waterline (beach area) until at least late summer. I don't know how far (next obvious question) but Corexit 9500 was found as far away as Tennessee.

I am also studying the court cases from the Exxon Valdez disaster and will provide the "YOU MUST DO THIS" if you expect to receive any compensation for business or property losses. Learn why and how the Alaskan judge threw most of the Alaskan claims out of court! Very important information. Again, in brief, please stay out of the water. Even if it is clear, it is very dangerous.

Also, more information from a real biologist (phd) that specializes in oil spills, the toxic aftermath, and how to avoid the pitfalls of becoming contaminated.

[MetalMeister]

Very interesting posts OL.

Just did some calculations.

A 10 foot diameter steel pipe all the way to the ocean floor could contain 11+ million gallons.

Could even use another material if stell is not flexible enough...

Just have to stabilize the pipe and suck all of the oil out of it.

does not seem like a problem to me unless the issue is the rigidity of the pipe or being able to stabilize it to the platform deck above.

 

[sidewinder]

This too is interesting.  Russia drilling 60 miles off Fla.

Like the title "guess who's coming to drill?"
 
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/07/guess_whos_coming_to_drill.html

[MetalMeister]

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/shock-water-sample-exploded-when-chemist-tested-for-oil-most-likely-methane-or-corexit