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« on: January 21, 2008, 11:54:15 AM »

If would seem that in a down market, the "lows" seem to be just before (in anticipation of) the Fed Meeting. One would think the Fed is watching today's market activity quite carefully. We shall see what happens...All the indicators I use are extremely oversold, and when all hope is lost, well, we all know what that means....
Be patient and watch the show....
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2008, 12:43:44 PM »

There has to be some kind of reversal eventually. I've said that a few times--this or that index can't go down every day...

After last week's TSX decline, you'd think--ok, we're due. and then today?

This isn't february or august. It's pretty obvious that everything is starting (or in the case of some uraniums, continuing) to trend lower. I think if you're going to try and trade this eventual bounce, you're going to have to be pretty diligent.

Maybe CHX or JNN are the ones to bet on.


On the bright side...maybe this first half of the year is going to be completely brutal, and the second half will stabilize and begin a new bull market (as opposed to a few years of slow steady decline).

Positives for the second half: election, probable clinton in white house, effects of aggressive rate cuts, beginning of the end of the iraq war...






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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2008, 01:05:02 PM »

If the US Fed does not cut by MORE THAN 50 points Tuesday pre-market, we'll see a black Monday type of crash in the US followed across world wide markets.

If the US Fed does cut by 75 or 100 basis points, it will induce the mother of all short covering rallies.

But for how long.
Hours?
Days?
Weeks?


Could be hours.

And then I think we go over the waterfall.


But then again, maybe all of this depression on the market marks the bottom.


I quote Robert McHugh from this weekend (before the foreign markets opened).
This is from his promotional "buy my newsletter" e-mail.

His analysis is dead one!


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The Fed Fiddles While Stocks Burn and Crash

By Robert McHugh, Ph.D.

January 19th, 2008

The Dow Industrials plunged 306.95 points Thursday, closing at 12,159.21. Then the next day on Friday, they rallied at the open, only to plunge 319 points from their intraday high, closing down 59.91 to 12,099.30. NYSE volume was 122 percent of its 10 day average, with downside volume leading at 60 percent, with declining issues at 64 percent, with downside points at 63 percent. We either are at a multi-week bottom, or at the threshold of Hades. We took a small Traders Corner position on a bottom, but cannot rule out Hades. We are in an official stock market crash from October 11th, 2007, a 15 percent decline over three months. If prices do not immediately rally, it means stocks are hitting the sweet spot of the ongoing crash.

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I hate to bash Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, but I'm going to for a few pages. Here's the deal. The current economic threat is screaming for an aggressive inflation solution. Inflation comes from the Fed. Forget about the inflation the Fed has caused over the past 90 years, and the doubling of the money supply to goose markets for the past eight. A lot of that was dead wrong, a theft of our children's future, coming at an unnecessary time. However, when economic crises hit, the government must inflate. Must. Aggressively, preemptively, not reactively, or else calamity will strike, deflation will result, a black hole sucking until depression hits. It is a lot easier to stop inflation during boom times than to reinflate an economy during a major bust. Japan taught us that. Ironically, this is supposed to be Bernanke's strong suit. He has written papers on the mistakes of the Fed that exacerbated the Great Depression of the 30's. The stock market is warning that we are approaching a bust.

Yet faced with an economic threat potentially larger than has ever hit mankind, Ben suddenly gets inflation-restraint religion. Who cares about inflation right now? It happened. It better continue to happen. First the threats: We know about housing and related financial institution real estate credit problems. Still coming are consumer loan problems, business working capital loan problems, derivative credit swap problems, entitlement problems, etc. Housing values have dropped 5 to 10 percent the past year. That means bank loan collateral has dropped, in many instances below loan value. There better be a reflation program put in place soon to get those collateral values higher. Otherwise, the deflationary black hole implodes. Bank examiners exacerbate a credit crunch, citing bankers for bad loans due to contracting collateral values due to bubblemania macroeconomic policy. This very act reduces demand for real estate, causing collateral values to sink further -  spiraling deflation.

The Wilshire 5000 is essentially the entire U.S. stock market. Guess what? It has lost $2.6 trillion over the past 3 months, since October 2007 (which by the way was when the last Hindenburg Omen occurred). $2.6 trillion of wealth wiped out in three months, 25 percent of GDP, a 16 percent stock market collapse that looks to have much further to go. Bernanke would know this if his technical analysis staff would teach him how to read a Head & Shoulders pattern. But that isn't in the Princeton economics text. A stock market crash is a decline of 15 percent or more within several months. Well, we can now say we have seen a stock market crash over the past three months. More is coming. Yet, Bernanke continues to speak of inflation risks, and continued growth, and all other manner of delusional hogwash. He behaves as if he is in academia, in front of a classroom, quoting the textbook, that interest rates must be lowered with restraint, that inflation must be slowed. Well, an all out economic collapse would slow inflation, that is for sure. New times bring new problems that require new solutions. Sometimes a Fed Chairman has to think outside the box, act decisively, act preemptively, and not preoccupy himself with consensus building a Board of Fed Governors who behave in erudite abstract.

Bernanke is failing miserably at instilling confidence in Wall Street. When his moment arrived yesterday, Thursday, to announce convicting courageous reinflation action in the midst of a deflating economy, he took a pass, insisting Congress do something, that the fiscal side of macroeconomic policy take the lead, provide the fix, insisting that would be the most efficacious course of action. Are you kidding Ben? You are the Fed Chairman, the most powerful financial person in the world! Wall Street couldn't believe their ears, and tanked in reaction. Why? Why has the stock market crashed over the past three months? Why are we seeing the bottom that every indicator on earth suggests should be here, even if it would be a temporary bottom, a ledge to grab hold of before the next fall, to catch a breath? Because Wall Street has lost confidence in the Fed Chairman. It is becoming increasingly evident that Bernanke is an amateur inside a crisis. The cat is out of the bag. He doesn't know what he is doing.

It is about confidence, Ben. You see, this whole world economy is built on smoke and mirrors, on confidence, on a belief that it works. Come on, money is created either from a printing press at the Fed or out of thin air through the bank lending function. Earnings come from inflation, productivity gains from illegal immigration. Taxes are not to fund government projects, to fund national defense, or to build infrastructure, taxes are an income redistribution scheme. Derivatives are a pyramid scheme, the economy is one big Ponzi scheme. Come on. These are the rules of the game. You can't ignore them, cannot change them in mid-stream, unannounced, because some textbook at Princeton suggests in chapter five that if you have inflation, you must not reduce interest rates.

It is about confidence. The Fed Chairman must act preemptively, must overreact if he has to, act decisively, make people believe he sees the problems before they do, instill a feeling of well being, that someone who knows what he is doing is at the helm, even if truth be know, he doesn't have a clue.

There was a layup opportunity Friday, January 18th. Nobody was guarding Bernanke. He could have taken the shot six times before a defender showed up. He didn't even shoot the ball. He took a time out, sat on the bench, and drank an energy drink to prepare him for the next shot. Stocks opened Friday nicely, the first advance in quite a while, what looked like a plunge-stopper start to the day. Up 1.5 percent at the open. Bush had announced his pathetic $150 billion fiscal plan (more on that later), and I kept waiting for step two, a surprise announcement that the Fed was on the job, was cutting interest rates half a point, maybe even 75 basis points. It was what the market needed to hear, that the reinflation medicine was being applied before the patient dies. Never happened. Nope. There is a scheduled open market operations meeting on the 29th, and that is when he will address interest rates. By the book. I'll bet Bernanke was the sort of professor who never curved a test, never gave extra credit, never considered class participation, never dropped the lowest quiz in the final grade. Wall Street's reaction? That 1.5 percent rally was reversed and we fell sharply the rest of the day. Confidence Ben. Learn what to say, learn what to do, or give up the job and let someone else with a clue do the heavy lifting.

The Bush plan: He suggested a fiscal stimulus package to the tune of 1.5 percent of GDP, about $150 billion. That is ridiculous. A stimulus package equal to 5 percent of the $2.6 trillion wealth wipeout from the past three months, and probably far less than the eventual wealth wipeout in total when all is said and done, including job losses, depreciated real estate, defaults, declining earnings, etc. Wall Street wasn't impressed.

Are we expected to believe that if the government pays one mortgage payment later this year for every taxpayer, that is all we need to minimize the threats facing this economy? How about you? If you are struggling, are all your financial problems alleviated by one free month without a mortgage payment? Ludicrous. Risks have become threats. That is where we are. Time for creative solutions. Time to understand the Dollar must be sacrificed, either now, or later. Later will cost more.

Like in the early 90's, bank examiners must be told to let bankers lend at the very time when loans are going bad. That will kick start liquidity in the real estate industry, will boost collateral values, will increase bank earnings. The natural tendency is for bank regulators (and of course the big boy in that department is the Federal Reserve) to force a reduction in lending at the very time we need more lending. Lending is a key manufacturer of money and inflation. We need more, not less, and now.

The Fed needs to reduce interest rates dramatically and quickly, to encourage lending. Congress needs to pass regulations to put a stop to usurious 30 percent credit card interest rates, which are achieved through schemes that are scandalous, that wipe out consumer purchasing power. A massive, meaningful monetary handout needs to be sent to every household, enough to produce a serious reduction in debt, to help consumers clean up their balance sheets, which would quickly convert into significant increases in disposable income, spending, and a reinflation of the economy. This all takes courage, it all takes thinking outside the box. Confidence Ben. Replace the income tax with a national sales tax. Have money issued by the Treasury, have it backed by gold once the credit crisis is resolved, stabilizing the economy. We sit at the precipice of a financial meltdown if Bernanke, Bush and company do not get it right, and soon. Both Wall Street and Main Street have figured out the emperor is not wearing clothes. The power of suggestion is failing. Folks have smartened up. That dog don't hunt no more.         

The Dow Industrials plunged 306.95 points Thursday, closing at 12,159.21. Then the next day on Friday, they rallied at the open, only to plunge 319 points from their intraday high, closing down 59.91 to 12,099.30. NYSE volume was 122 percent of its 10 day average, with downside volume leading at 60 percent, with declining issues at 64 percent, with downside points at 63 percent. We either are at a multi-week bottom, or at the threshold of Hades. We took a small Traders Corner position on a bottom, but cannot rule out Hades. We are in an official stock market crash from October 11th, 2007, a 15 percent decline over three months. If prices do not immediately rally, it means stocks are hitting the sweet spot of the ongoing crash.




And I'll leave you with some Steve Saville from this weekend too.
http://www.speculative-investor.com/new/index.html


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As far as the US stock market is concerned, sentiment continues to hit the sorts of pessimistic extremes that are seldom seen. For instance:

1. The 10-day moving average of the equity put/call ratio ended last week at 0.85, which is the highest reading since Feb-2003 and is only slightly lower than it was near the major bear market bottom of Oct-2002. In fact, over the past 10 years the 10-day moving average of the equity put/call ratio has only been significantly above its current level on two occasions -- Feb-2003 (a few weeks prior to the start of a multi-year bull market) and Sep-2001 (at the completion of the terrorism-related market collapse).

2. The proportion of NYSE stocks above their 200-day moving averages has dropped to within a few percent of where it was at the bottom of the 2000-2002 bear market.

3. The proportion of NASDAQ stocks above their 200-day moving averages is now as low as it was at the bottom of the 2000-2002 bear market.

Given the news backdrop and the likelihood that the news will become even worse it is very easy to be bearish at this time. However, sentiment indicators warn that a large proportion of market participants have already acted in anticipation of worse news. This leaves the market vulnerable to a positive surprise and creates a certain amount of immunity to additional negative developments in the short-term.

We continue to think that a multi-week rebound will soon begin in order to alleviate the extremely oversold condition that now prevails, after which there will probably be a decline to new lows. It's possible that the ultimate correction low will not be far below the current level, but the risk of a much larger decline prevents our short- and intermediate-term outlooks for the US stock market from being any better than "neutral" despite the oversold extreme currently being registered. The risk is that we are now at the equivalent of mid-March 2001, and that a 1-2 month rebound will be followed by a much larger decline.

Note that there will almost certainly be a 50-basis-point official rate cut in the US within the next several days. For the reasons discussed earlier in today's report this won't have a significant REAL effect on the US economy, but it could be the catalyst for the multi-week rebound we are anticipating.

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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2008, 01:16:21 PM »

My thoughts (and hopes) are that the Republican's can illafford a disasterous market situation going into the election. Whatever plan they unfold would seem to me to be in their best interest to get re-elected, so I think their bandaid, whatever it may be, will attempt to change the perception of the overall market outlook, provide some stability (or elusion of), and show how good they are, but as long as it lasts past the elections, then after that, all hell can break loose...it's anyone's guess...
What would a full percentage basis point drop in interests do in the short term? Maybe they do that, then add 1/4 later on this year? Anything to weather this storm, and get re-elected...that is the real, and only reason for many of these political types. Too bad Hillary Clinton could not get elected, then eliminate the Fed, and hire Jim Dines & Co. to manage their monetary policy. Too bad...
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2008, 01:42:09 PM »

WOW.

so much for waiting for another day to try and hit a bounce and get out. would have saved myself 30% had i left the game a few days ago!

now i have to sell and cover margins... last time i did this it was august 16th...

gotta think tomorrow will turn up... but sh$t.

not sure what to do here... cut my losses and unload and work harder to make up the 100k since my portfolio peaked... or try to hold on a bit longer for a turnaround.

ouch.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2008, 01:59:37 PM »

Thoughts on gold for tomorrow and near term?

gold is getting beaten down, along with gold stocks. It should bounce with an emergency rate cut tomorrow, even if the markets don't respond. I think this could heat up in the next thirty days.




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