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« on: February 02, 2008, 05:21:59 PM »

Well as a person who entered into the uranium stocks in April 07 (top) and dismissng the lessons learned from the past (tech top) I have to say that I am most disappointed for having put myself in the position of being down 42%, a direct result of not using protection, much like having unprtected sex!

In some ways I do feel fortunate having continued to buy many of the quality widely touted stocks on the way down, but some of the many dreadful entry points just sit there like dead money, needing a resurrection of biblical proportions to come back to life.

As many of us newbies have learned this past year, often the easiest choices on the surface turn out to yield the poorest results.  In this case it has obviously been BUY AND HOLD. 

It is nobodys fault that this didn't work, as our sector was the first to feel the hit of market risk re-assessment, and more than likely will be the last to return, as smart money (big money) doesn't take unnecessary risk of speculation in bear markets, when many high quality companies are out there with signs for sale!  They gravitate instead towards the Proctor and Gambles!  Pun intended.

This takes me to the direction that our fearless leader (Dines) is suggesting we continue to follow. HOLD!

Why?  If you liked DNN at $14 and MGA at $8, and LAM at$12, and PDN at $8 and so on, why in the world would you not like them at 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 dollars and so on? HOLD?

Look, if you made a bad investment, and the fundamentals have changed, and prospects are no longer good or feasible then SELL  Sell now, sell into rallies, do whatever but work your way out!  But if you feel that the long term fundamentals are still in tact and feel that you have quality holdings, in companies that provide great upside long term potential than BUY BUY BUY!! JUST USE SOME PROTECTION!

The broad market action in the last 10 days or so, has been repeated with alot of frequency, and that is that markets have RALLIED into the close, a bullish trend, a direct response relating specifically to helicopter Ben.  His willingness to cut rates to save the financials, creates opportunities for large scale consolidations and takeovers amongst financial companies and soon coming, the bond insurers.

The BEARS are getting scared, and the BULLS are becoming more powerful, as they should be, because Ben is going to keep cutting.  Many suspect by the summer the markets should be rallying strong, led by the financials.  It LOOKS to have already started.

So whats the point to all this?  I wouldn't recommend waiting for these stocks to go up 30% from here before I re-entered the market, more risk.   The time to get in is now, volumes have been lowered, panic selling appears to be gone and these stocks seem to be sitting in stronger hands, ours.  Not the hedgies, and institutions, as they have supposedly some financial responsibilities.

Since December, I have been selling out of poor entry points, while still retaining strong postions in the Metals sector, utilizing those funds to buy my strongest potential stocks on weakness.  Fortunately, as we all know there have been a couple short (1 week or so) rallies to make nice profits and build more managable postions.  I believe that this direction will continue, after another possible re-test, with longer sustained rallies going forward.  Thats my bet,  I still believe in the fundamentals and the story and am excited to build a portfolio of great positions for the mania that is sure to follow!  Volatility is our friend here if we only have the courage and wisdom to learn from it, embrace it and move within it.

It is sad to admit that Suzie Orman gives better advice for stock management than our more sophisticated leaders.  Cut the dead money, take the losses, and re-deploy carefully and patiently.  Oh yeah, and when you get a 40% profit take it and say thank you and try to repeat it. 

But man, if you make a mistake and get sick because of it,  you had better go to the doctor and get a shot, dont just sit there and HOLD it and hope that its gonna get better! Wink
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2008, 11:29:11 PM »

Greetings everyone and thanks for the great forum. I've been "reading the mail" on the forum for about a year now and I must thank everyone for their honest exchanges of interesting information.

A little bit about me. I've been into the U's since 2004 and while down about 50% from the peak, I am still in the money on most. I have  a 1-4 year horizon but don't hesitate to sell if I think the price has gone way beyond the cash that the compay has in the bank or at least generates regularly. I've been a Dines subscriber since 2003 and read his newsletter for bout 10 months before I started to buy anything. I've probably made more money being a Dines contrarian than by following his picks. My rule of thumb has been, never buy on a recommendation, always wait at least 45 days and often longer to buy after doing some of my own research to see if there is anything to the company. I've also made some good money buy buying any of his rare "sell recommendations" and then selling after they recover a bit after the Dines sell-off. I sent him an email telling him I was doing well with this but...didn't receive a response.

I have also been a Casey subscriber (Int'l Speculator and Energy Speculator) and also Brien Lundin's  Gold Newsleter. I find reading all four provides me with some interesting perspectives on the market. I mostly use Dines for trend analysis although he is slipping a bit on that (and also contrary investments). I find Lundin's Gold newsletter is usual first to recommend some of the companies that once in a while are recommended later by Dines or Casey. As you know, all have been caught by surprise. I have had some trouble getting by Dines being full-of-himself and the Casey armageddon  pessimism. But if your can get by that, I find each lends a unique perspective to influence any other research info that is available.

Anyway, not to go on any further, I couldn't resist jumping in and registering to the forum and I hope once in a while I can lend a useful perspective to the other voices on here.

I am already fully committed (since 2004) in gold and silver stocks. Right now for me, prices on the U's look too good to resist and I am committing all my attack capital next week. I don't expect to be in the money on any of these for at least a year. The US has been in a recession since September and may not make it out without huge re-inflation.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2008, 12:03:03 AM »

Right, with all the Dines bashing, very little chatter about what's going to happen to the market and our beloved uranium stocks. No one knows.

I can't believe that just two weeks after I issued a suicide watch for the whole board, things are looking OK.

Here's an article with a pretty good perspective:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/business/20fund.html?fta=y

The main idea here is that "recent history shows that it’s often the anticipation of a recession that depresses stock prices, not the actual experience of a recession"

I'm not going to get fancy and post charts, but this market looks like the sharp sell off in July 1990 (as opposed to the last recession that followed the tech bust--that lasted a while and was pretty dreary for stock investors).

We hit bear market status, the US is already in a recession, but that doesn't mean we're going to drive off a cliff. I mean, the fed is going to cut at least .25 in march--that's 1.5 points in two months. That might not save the economy from reporting a bad quarter or two, but it's good for stocks.

Just my two cents. I agree with Kilowatts on the other post--that this forum can offer dubious comfort. Risk is risk, and even though things are looking a little better, this is a volatile, traders market. If I've learned anything these last few months, it's about my own limitations.

I'm keeping uranium to 10% or less. There are great deals in the broader market, especially if you just start averaging in.

Welcome Trucker.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2008, 03:44:27 PM »

By courtesy of my favourite e-mail information sources. It’s free. It’s informative. So why not have it delivered to your in box every day? (I have no connections otherwise with this site).

This is one of the hyperlinks from today’s Miningmx e-mail. It outlines their 2008 mining stock picks:

http://www.miningmx.com/events/indaba_2008/847500.htm

The list even contains a couple of U stocks (Three if you include BHP) -
First Uranium
Uranium One

Hopefully this information will start to provide some cheer in this quarter.

Finally I find it very heartening that we are getting an influx of new members (the life blood of any site). I know that I am speaking for the rest of the membership when I say your contribution will be much appreciated, regardless of your level of experience. A WARM WELCOME TO YOU ALL.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2008, 03:47:33 PM »


Did anyone listen to this half-hour BBC broadcast?  What is the consensus re this debate?

http://www.uranium-stocks.net/the-bbc-a-debate-on-nuclear-power-stations/
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2008, 08:27:49 PM »

Well, I'm watching the Super bowl and crunching through next weeks numbers. I'm going to go out on a limb and contradict Dines's 'Hold rec" and say that the slight pickup in buys stats ( stochastics) and firming prices for quality U stocks point to a rally in the offing. Of course this preceeds fact and some better news would be nice. The index seems to be resisting further selling pressure. So, I've decided , no bullshit, no mystic musings or dinesisms, I'll go out on a limb and actually say something , RALLIES ON NEXT WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gamblers option only here  is for a buy point short term in a very oversold market. I see 30% on the upside for some select issues. Do your own DD.

No, I'm not drinking during the game and getting all  blathered up. And remember this is just my opinion based on my own work. Don't follow me.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 12:22:49 PM »

Hi Maxine

I don’t know if you noticed but there is a link on the web page that you posted to listen to the program to which you referred.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/discovery.shtml

That interview was really quite positive, unlike the one on BBC television which I commented on in one of my posts.
http://buy-high-sell-higher.com/forum/general-discussion/short-sighted-policies-t653.0.html;msg3281#msg3281

In the television interview I mentioned Sir Bernard Ingham the former press secretary to Margaret Thatcher put forward the case for nuclear. As I said in my post he was out gunned by the renewable energy, and coal fired energy combined with carbon capture speakers. Anyone of us could have put a better case forward for nuclear than he did on the night. I thought about sending him the “Buy High Sell Higher” website address in order to  enhance his education on the subject. If  you had listened to that program, and I knew nothing about nuclear you would have been swayed against nuclear too. Fortunately for us Gordon Browns brother works for the French company that will win the contract to build the new reactors in the UK. So done deal. Although there is still a protracted planning procedure to go through, so we still need to get the public at large on side.

 It would have been more helpful to the nuclear cause if this radio interview had gone out on television so as to reach a wider audience, and thereby give the public at large a clearer, better balanced picture, and allay the usual fears. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2008, 08:31:32 AM »

OK I may be dumb but does Dines own Pinetree capital? The fact is that I do own some pine tree stock and a few more from the Dines letter. However many of the stocks recommended in here are also on the dines list. Honestly, I do not like the way Dines states the newsletter and frankly its getting rather repetitive.  The fact of the matter is my stocks are down 45% but I cannot blame anyone for that its pointless. My decision my responsibility. I have done my research. If pinetree bought company invested stocks go up pinetree goes up. Thats the short of it. If this happens I sell out as my percentage in pinetree and mega are larger than normal. I do not think Pinetree is a bad stock as a close ended fund. I had to average in on the stock as prices dropped to a huge degree. I am hopeing that somthing good happens in the future.  I am not willing to sell at losses. I think we have to be patient and see which way the cookie crumbles. Backlashing any of the stocks is not going to do any good for any of us is it? Simply take people off the stock. Who's the looser?
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2008, 08:50:10 AM »


Cameco will issue an earnings release  statement before the market opens.
I have no other details, and since I have to go out soon I will probably miss it.

One way or the other it is likely to effect uranium stocks.

So keep an eye out team.
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2008, 02:31:53 PM »

Descent report, stock lifeless.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2008, 02:58:46 PM »


ya, if all the other positive news we've been having the last week hasn't many any dent... their report is understandably unnoticed as well.  Of course, unless is was negative, in which case the bottom would fall out again...
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